This was to be expected: History shows that fascism in its various forms is inherently violent and destructive , both toward its opponents and members of its own movement. When Democrats or progressives report a desire to secede from the country, they are seeking refuge and self-preservation. To suggest any equivalence between that desire and the overtly violent yearnings of the Republican-fascist movement is intellectually dishonest and morally bankrupt.
The prospect of a second American Civil War may seem wildly unlikely, or not even logistically feasible. But if it were to happen, such an outcome would not be based on empirical facts, reality or the complexities and nuances of public opinion polls.
A large percentage of Republicans and the larger white right actually believe that they are in an existential struggle for survival against Black and brown people and "illegal aliens" who want to "replace them," sinister "secularists" who want to outlaw Christianity, "critical race theory" aimed at brainwashing their children, a "liberal media" that deliberately lies to them, and a cabal of "elites" and "socialists" who are treasonous and determined to destroy the "real" America.
These right-wing white-identity fever dreams show no signs of breaking; if anything, the collective pathology is getting worse. Law enforcement and terrorism experts continue to warn that the country is at great risk of a violent right-wing insurgency inspired by the events of Jan. Want a daily wrap-up of all the news and commentary Salon has to offer? Subscribe to our morning newsletter , Crash Course. Wars begin for a wide range of reasons — often because of some miscalculation by one or more of the leaders and groups involved.
Wars and other violent conflicts also happen because political leaders and other elites have talked themselves into a corner, leaving bloodshed as the only way out. Very often, civil war and sectarian violence have seemed impossible — until circumstances radically changed.
In an essay for Foreign Policy, Monica Toft explains how civil wars tend to happen, explaining that various factors are involved, including a history of previous internal conflict, "deepening cleavages" in society and a third element, "a shift from tribalism to sectarianism":.
With tribalism, people begin to seriously doubt whether other groups in their country have the larger community's best interests at heart. In sectarian environments though, economic, social, and political elites and those they represent come to believe that anyone who disagrees with them is evil and actively working to destroy the community.
Enemies of the state come to displace the loyal opposition, with those having been inside another tribe seen as the most disloyal. It's akin to how some religions treat apostates and infidels. Often, it is apostates, the former adherents of the faith, that are targeted more readily over infidels, those who had always been on the outside. It is hard not to see echoes of this dynamic at play as Republicans condemn other Republicans over their loyalty or lack thereof to former U.
Semi-automatic weapons comprise around They openly talk about armed rebellion , and some members of these organizations already have engaged in violence and are helping others plan their own assaults and shootings. Take a deep breath. Despite the factors above, civil war is not inevitable. Indeed, that scenario faces several limiting factors that hopefully will stop the escalation of conflict. Historically, other than during the s and the Reconstruction period, these kinds of forces have limited mass violence and kept the country together.
Most of the organizations talking about civil war are private, not public entities: When Southern states seceded in , they had police forces, military organizations, and state-sponsored militias. That varies considerably from today, where the forces who have organized for internal violence are mostly private in nature.
They are not sponsored by state or local governments and do not have the powers of government agencies. They are voluntary in nature and cannot compel others to join their causes. But that is a far different geographic divide than when one region could wage war on another. Why is it that these racist police departments are in cities dominated by the Democratic machine for generations? Just want your vote. And more importantly your money. That holds true for both parties.
All suffer. Read your history. This is more a response to mr. Locke interesting name. For reference see the use of culture as a replacement label for skin tone. Your stance on immigration is not. The cause of racial disparity in this nation is several generations of suppression, as well as economic targeting. As for why Black culture tends to hold up crimes, it very well might be that that was the only avenue many young black people had seeing as how badly the police and government treated them.
If your own country hated you, would you be patriotic? However, I have seen a significant amount of evidence supporting policy being full of white supremacists. If you are curious as to why there seems to be so much Marxist sentiment around you may wanna look into the abuses of capitalism, or maybe the propensity of markets to monopolize.
Not to mention that immigrants tend to improve the economy and also commit fewer crimes than the general populace. Welfare is a problem in the nation, however, it is a problem of corporate welfare, as for human welfare, The US has some of the smallest and weakest systems of any advanced nation. In contrast there oddly enough seams to be a correlation between human welfare and happiness. As a whole, your comment seems well thought out, however the sources it draws from seem to be odd. To someone who holds fascism as a political ideology, you would be a left-leaning individual, despite drawing from a very fascist-leaning information base.
I am not using fascism as a political slur, instead, I am stating it from the position that the outgroup your information base points to is the poor and immigrant populations, despite preaching anti-elitist anti-wealthy sentiment.
Being black himself, is totally impossible. Historians will judge him among the best presidents. Your head has to be in the sand if you dont think Obama caused racial tensions.. You still have not introduced one thing President Obama did that caused racial tension other than just being a black man. If that is what he did, then it shows who the racists really are. And, his wife was even worse at racial divide. She still is.
In the aftermath of racial unrest in Ferguson, Mo. In , Obama found his voice in a series of stirring speeches in Selma, Ala. Blacks have, critics suggested, traded away substantive policy demands for the largely symbolic psychological and emotional victory of having a black president and first family in the White House for eight years. OMG are you serious. It comes down to this Being a police officer is a very dangerous job.
Sometimes they have to make split second decisions. Self preservation will always kick in. You do what an officer tells you.
The police are in charge. The push to do away with the police and our guns is a terrible idea. They do away with Police who are you going to call when you need help.. What do they replace the police with? When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns! Trying to force public schools to take on the LBQT issues as ground work for leftist political calling anyone who disagreedvwith them as homophobes,zenophobes created division that was blessed by Obama.
He was elected by the vast majority of white people and he alone created racial division that was always teetering at the brink. Making dispariging remarks about his white grandparents who moved him to Hawaii to escape Kansas deep seated raciam forgetting that thses people and his mother raised him while his black father abandoned him.
You must truly believe that the majority of white America is stupid and uneducated. It seems like made everybody instant political pundits.
What all of a sudden people have internet access and they think they are now the smartest people in the world? What is astonishing however is how disillusioned these arguments are, how completely devoid of reality and how fatalistic in tone it is, and how abstract the subject matter sounds when it is anything BUT.
The accusations on each side, the hatred, and the desire to prove the other to be inhuman enough for the other to not feel bad for violating their own values regarding respecting others. The blame being hurled reveals another sad truth to all of this and that is that these people whom you are trying to attach all possible evil you can imagine are in fact your fellow countrymen and the past that you both seem eager to ascribe to the other is a shared past, as it is the history of our country!
Because an American would never dream of trying to shut down or silence anyone because in America we are all free to disagree! You nailed it Brandon. Both sides just keep sucking the teet of their preferred media outlet And get stuck in the Blackhole of misinformation polarization. Where is the logic in these stupid debaucles? Maybe people should try thinking constructively with unity and focus to try and work out some of these issues.
Both sides should welcome new ideas, solutions, and methodologies. We really got to stop acting like two school aged siblings in the back of a car on a 13 hr drive to Disneyworld. No, we are a diverse, forward thinking people who have hurdled every obstacle thrown at us with flying colors.
So please can we remember who we are and try to rid our culture from all the divisive, irrational, and unproductive behavior and make some progress. Your comment sounds the same as every other racist comment against Obama,verbatim! You bring nothing intelligent to the table about how his presidency, his policies, his work brought on racism.
The color of his skin perhaps has brought out the ugly truth that lives in us all for we all fall short of the glory…the truth that we will always have something in us that will always bring us pleasure when we show discrimination against some one or some thing. We need to feel superior, we need to hurt others to make ourselves feel better about it own being. We hate seeing others doing better than ourselves because we are so self-centered.
And the thing of it was that there was nothing about His outward appearance that attracted people to Him according to the Word, it was just the way He was towards people that they wanted to learn more about Him. But just like today, people who claim to follow Christ are actually the first ones to cast the first stones with trump leaving the way just because Obams skin is dark. I personally think we are there at the time of the birthpains where it is written about the time just before the end, when things start really hurting,when things get really bad all around us.
You can say whatever you want about me. People are being attacked for wearing anything Pro Trump one guy was even shot in the head and killed for it and he was a black older gentleman who was a business owner. Things are getting out of and and will only get worse as it gets closer to the election. Mark my words if President Trump gets reelected there will be a civil war. Look it up, the left is war gaming a way to get Trump out of office.
So you understand Revelations then? Just as easy as opening a book for you is it? Do us a favor and enlighten us, o thou savior of modern man. Do you walk with your eyes open? How can you deny all the political violence from the left? A ten-minute shootout took place between Hodgkinson and officers from the Capitol and Alexandria Police before officers fatally shot Hodgkinson, who died from his wounds later that day at the George Washington University Hospital.
Hodgkinson was a left-wing activist[10][11] from Belleville, Illinois, while Scalise was a Republican member of Congress. A report in The Washington Post, published on November 25, , showed violent right-wing-related incidents up, and left-wing-related incidents down. Total domestic terrorism incidents was down to 41 in , from a high of in , but then went up to 65 in The report found that was a particularly deadly year, with 11 people dying in the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting, 2 others in an incident in Kentucky, and two more in a shooting in Tallasshee.
All three incidents were right-wing related. Of course when you understand right and wrong in an unbiased mindset, you learn very quickly there is no left or right. There is only a two party system, plus socialist organizations in the US and a massive military industrial complex that co-jointly drives all political and social movement in the US. To avoid what ever may come the traditional American must awaken to the reality of our time and stop getting their information from the mass media.
Your complaint is very warranted. However, we must see the bigger picture. That would explain all the swastikas in Jewish Cemeteries and Houses of Worship, all the killings by White Supremacist, and Black Churches being set ablaze by White Supremacist or people on the Right trying to start a race war. Left vs right is their game. I refuse to play. You are unique and special and entitled to your opinion. I just want to be American. Best comment of seen so far. I am neither republican or democrat.
I vote for the one with the best morals, and who has the people of our beautiful country in there best interest. Not for the ones who kill babies or hate God.
Nor do i wish to hate or disrespect who ever gets voted into a position of leadership such as the President. I was raised to respect our authority figures and elders. I may not agree with some of you but will not bash you for your feelings. Good advice. Is hate good? Is murder good?
Is racism good? I could go on and on but to much to list. So i will do my best to be a good and productive citizen in my homeland. I will stand with the one our country was founded on and what the Constitution was modeled after and that is the Word of God.
And no i dont believe in being religious and pushing my own beliefs on others. I dont always agree with my wife but in oder for a marriage to work there has to be a common ground. God bless. Zach and Art, best comments yet though the bar is quite low here. I agree completely.
I might not agree with your religion or political views but I will respect you enough to have a respectful and thoughtful conversation about those topics. I think what is supposed to make this country so great is the idea that we should all be able to stand together regardless of race, sexual-orientation, religion, political party, etc. Without that, can we really call this the greatest country in the world? All you had to do is live through the Obama years.
If you are unable to see the racial and anti-religious discord from start to finish, you are ignoring the obvious. Please open my eyes. The Democratic party has used race, and income to drive our nation apart. The party that was the Heart of the KKK has used this race and income difference as a weapon for generations.
Hillary Clinton and Obama perfected the tactic. I ask you to watch any speech from the last ten years from any Democratic national leader.
Ask yourself why is any of this only discussed during election time. Political gains is the only reason it comes up during the election process. The Democratic party labels everyone a racist, throwing out accusations with out any proof, another political tactic, how does that help race relations, how is that benefiting our nation.
That came to life in the Obama Administration with all the radical liberal economic and social change that has only lead to the further decline of the American society. Also for the idea of a Second American Civil War there is a lot of anger on both sides right now, really all it would take is some major political upset like an election or new policy changes within the country to start the war.
In the process liberals have and are further eliminating American tradition, morality, common sense, christianity, white people especially normal healthy young white men, Western culture, and any real hope for the future of all of Mankind. I dont even know how to take on the normal, healthy,young, white men part, but suffice to say, it is once again obviously based on your limited view of the world through the tyrannical view of christianity.
The left have many flaws, and I feel sorry you feel so desolate. But you are actually mixing things up. That were the people before him, starting decades ago. Also, he gained America a lot of sympathy, as he was viewed very favourably in many countries.
But he had also to deal with racism, a strong republican opposition, that blocked his policies, so he could not put things into action, like the affordable care act, and society could not benefit! Everything that came out of your fingers was either extremely hyperbolic or disgustingly false. You sound like you just regurgitated a bunch of far right extremist talk radio points.
As your cronies in power deregulate everything causing multiple economic crashes, you get hopped up on false equivalencies that distort reality and blindside you to the evil you cozy up to. It hurts our country! I am always amazed that Democrats never have any facts on their side! Do they live in an alternative reality? Most of the violence has come from the Leftist Democrats.
You ALL need to leave. Your bias and unreasonable, ungodly, stances have made it impossible Constitutionally for you to remain within this countries borders.
The left is a murder cult who would kill everyone along with themselves because of their rabid hatred of life. You need to leave. Or, be removed. Well if your happy ass would look around now you have evidence of creating racial division. Hope you enjoy the show because this is definitely leading to a civil war.
My God be with you because the Republicans are ready at any moment. I dont know about Obama setting race relations 50 years but what I do know is the political left is more likely to use violence instead of dialogue in order to influence decisions. Nick Sandman, comes to mind Another point to be made here is if someone on the political left wants your voice to be shut out they usually use a label such a racist,homophobic ect.
To shut you down. Also there are a huge number of videos on line where the political left is using violence against those who refuse to get in line and instead voice their own opinions. They burn and break up college campuses if a speaker they dont agree with is coming to speak. The proof is in surveys showing black and white voters viewed race relations as being worse under Obama and better under Trump.
The majority of violence is coming from the left! Good lord, are you that stupid? Wake up and see around you. Their going to smoke the left. The left is going to cause innocent blood shed.
You cite left wing propaganda while, at the same time, criticizing others for citing right wing propaganda? Categorically false to claim the majority of violence is left-wing. Just to let you know — the article you are linking states that there is a rise in violence by White Supremacists but does not claim that the majority of violent acts is caused by them. It also states that the FBI has active domestic terrorism cases which includes and therefore are not all white supremacist links.
I am not defending white supremacy, but if you want to post an article to claim that left-wing violence is less common, try to use one that actually states that. I think White Supremacy groups are just using this as an opportunity to gain attention. What we are facing in this country is a conflict between the Conservative and Liberal. That conflict is well displayed in the Halls of Congress. I remember a time not long ago, when liberals championed freedom of speech and an exchange of ideas.
Everyone was entitled to their opinion and could voice it without fear financial and social ruination. It looked like Kristallnacht. Actually, if you could compare the number of cases on each side you would realize that the most abrasive, violent, intolerant acts have been perpetrated by left wing activists.
Give me one incidence of Conservative violence toward the left. There is a strong case to be made the White Supremacists are left-wing. So you missed the demonstrator run down and killed—intentionally during a rally of white supremacists. I read these threads and these utterly deluded commenters and I am more convinced than ever we must invest more in education and teaching Americans Political courage that ignores fearmongering and propaganda.
Religiosity has been allowed to run rampant in our country for far to long. Once you have poisoned your mind to basic facts and hundreds of years of demonstrable science so you can believe in Santa, skydaddy you effectively are allowed to believe whatever dribble you want.
Welcome to America. They were hard-line fascists and murderers. The woman run over by a white Supremacist at a white supremacist rally. The man who just killed two Jewish people in New York accusing Jews of defending immigrants. Do you watch the news??? Not Fox.. While you are there, check to see how many deaths Anti-fa has caused.
White supremacists are socialist left wing. It explains all of it. Why do you think Obama set back racial relations? The fact that you think that makes you ignorant seeing as the republicans had the black brain surgeon running for em i always froget his name but he is a great man along with president trump.
His name is Ben Carson and your right.. Donald Trump may not always be the most tactful person in the world but the constant barrage that he has to endure from the left and the bias media is unprecedented. The man truly love our country and is not a racist. And the things that the Democrats running for president are calling for well they scare the hell out of me.
Racist Republicans? Disagree with any of them and your labeled as a racist. Explain to me why black people suffer the worst in democrat strongholds? History is repeating itself. Present day, you see the similarities, like unconstitutional gun laws, confiscation, lack of due process, Ect. Virginia just voted in a democratic leader convicted and served time for sexual relations with a minor.
This is the trash you support? If anyone has lost their insanity, it would be the Democrats, once again. Remember, they were the ones who thought slaves were nothing more than property. They have just become better in how they sell it. Modern day slavery in the form of welfare, abortion Planned Parenthood, founded by renowned racist Margret Sanger.
The Democratic party is still the racist thinkers, but add a touch of narcissism, and you have a modern day manipulation machine. Narcissist, like to use deflection, such as blaming others for their problems, project an image onto someone else, when they are actually the ones who are doing it themselves. This is why they constantly scream racism at every turn.
They mislead you with free this and free that, share the wealth, all while they kick back in their million dollar homes and watch us fight. Its quite a clever smoke screen.
The left has become so unhinged, that every move they make is a contradiction to their cause. The rationale is so delusional. This is why they are making every attempt to dismantle the constitution, suppress our rights and sell everyone a giant lie. Why is it you people cant see the real corruption at hand? You all attack Trump for what? You continue to get hyped up with every fake story published, and its always proven false, yet completely ignore the hard proven facts.
Democrats, continue to waste millions of dollars pursuing phony accusations that have ZERO proof. Adam Schiff intentionally added text that was supposed to be a quote from the president, but was caught off guard when the transcripts were released. The list goes on and on with corruption from the left, yet people like you continue to support that.
Personally I think it should happen. If you people love socialism so much, move to a country where it exist. Have you ever thought to ask yourself, why people risk their lives to flee from those countries? They had politicians that sold them the same bull crap, and they came to see just how awful it was.
Those places live in poverty and are over run with crime and corruption. Never in the history of mankind has socialism work. It has always led to the death of millions and the destruction of countries from within. Stop taking things for face value. Dont be lazy and educate yourself. The entire history of the Democrat party is beyond shameful, but they execute their lies so perfectly, to convince the masses of things they cant ever possibly fulfill. Socialism is unrealistic.
In theory, is sounds amazing, but the reality it will never work. You dont want to give these people complete control of your life. If they cant take care of our veterans, what makes you think that they and add hundreds of millions of people to that task.
You would die waiting to be taken care of. So please people, wake up and see whats really going on. Dont let the clown show, take control. Their track record more than proves they kind of animals they really are. I work for the government. There is no incentive for me to work harder. Add somebody on to my schedule?
For what? Everything is so slow. It is very disorganized. I always say to myself I hope the missile defense system works a lot better than our computer system. I think you need to read. Donald trump is the one accused in Federal court of raping two 13 year old girls. A witness who worked for Epstein confirmed the report and gave sworn testimony against both Epstein and trump. Racist white rich people who wanted to keep slaves for their Cotton businesses.
Look up any of this and why you at it look up how to accept other people for their culture you white weirdo. To everyone who always clams the roles of the parties swapped, this is actually inaccurate. The Republicans have stayed pretty straight, while the Democrats when hard the other way.
The information space has been further compromised by powerful foreign adversaries and omnipresent tech companies. Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev later admitted and apologized for that one. That lie, and its destructive impact, took six years to come to fruition. So is the United States on the brink of a civil war? A damaged and undemocratic information space makes all the difference as elites jockey for airtime and media space to further divide the electorate in the hopes of securing electoral power over rivals.
In each sphere, knowledge is increasingly untethered to reality or history. In a conflict like this, no one wins. Just consider the tragic case of former Yugoslavia, which started its descent in the later s, succumbing to large-scale political violence in the s. But if sectarianism continues, more violence is inevitable. The U. Countries with proportional representation and parliamentary systems promote coalitions and cooperation among rivals.
Shusha was the key to the recent war between Azerbaijan and Armenia. Now Baku wants to turn the fabled fortress town into a resort. Argument An expert's point of view on a current event. By Monica Duffy Toft. A police officer grips a corner of a torn U. February 18, , PM.
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